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b5media shares revenue numbers - How do you compare?

Posted by Rob Lewis on Sat, December 27, 2008 9:42 PM · Filed under Denver-Boulder, Portland, Seattle, Calgary, Edmonton, Montréal, Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver, Victoria, Kitchener-Waterloo , Social Media · 11 Comments

Last week Jeremy Wright of b5media shed a little light on how his company has managed to monetize their network of 300+ blogs and bloggers should take note. In a glowing Toronto Star article three days before Christmas, Wright broke down his traffic and revenue numbers and bloggers worldwide grabbed pencil & paper to work out what their blog could/should/would be making based on b5's metrics.

Toronto-based blog network b5media boasts more than 300 blogs written by 200 professional writers. Each month it receives 30 million page views and 10 million unique visitors.

Those numbers mean revenue. Large numbers of visitors and page views mean b5media can charge more for advertising. And it's been working out fairly well. In 2005, for instance, b5media brought in revenue of $70,342 and in 2007 that number had grown 1,798 per cent to $1,328,885. And it continues to grow.

Based on 2007's revenue ($111K per month) and today's pageviews (30 Million per month), b5 is monetizing well but not as well as some people might think will a CPM of approximately $3.70.

Any bloggers out there? How does your site compare?

 
Company:
b5media Inc.
Website:
http://www.b5media.com/
Location:
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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11 Comments

Lyal said on Sat, December 27, 2008 at 11:25 PM

It's great that Jeremy is willing to share his numbers.

I would be shocked if his 2008 numbers were on par to $3.70. For a media presence as large as b5media, one would hope that both their traffic cycle and their eCPM would be growing, not remaining stagnant. While there's some economy of scale, large size adsense operations like Markus Frind's Plenty of Fish illustrate that a raw CPM of twice that (if not a magnitude more...) are completely reasonable, even across general interest blogs.

I'll throw the ball out there. I have one blog that I infrequently update (about once a week to once a month) that nets me $11.30 CPM in the health space. A small fraction of the traffic of any one of b5media's properties though!

John Chow said on Sat, December 27, 2008 at 11:51 PM

I kill B5 Media. My blog's eCPM is over $100. If I ran B5 it would be making way more than $3.70 eCPM. That's a joke.

Jeremy Wright said on Sun, December 28, 2008 at 8:54 AM

John: Of course your traffic is but a fraction. Hitting high CPMs on a couple of million pageviews is dead easy. Even on targetted verticals it's dead easy (we have verticals in the 30$+ range). But when you factor in high-traffic low-value areas like entertainment, it balances out to a much lower number.

To put this number in perspective, the last time I asked, Yahoo had 8$, AOL had 10$, Technorati had 8$ and Gawker had 6$.

And, yes, our CPMs have grown since then, but remain well in line with industry standard CPMs.

John: if you think 100$+ CPMs are consistently possible, you should apply for the CEO position at Yahoo. You could grow their revenue to a trillion dollars a year ;-)

Ian Bell said on Sun, December 28, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Jeremy hit the nail on the head, it all comes down to economies of scale. The more pageviews you have, the lower the CPM will effectively be. Why? Because you will have unsold inventory if you keep your rates too high. It's better to sell all of the impressions than only a fraction. Of course you will still get high CPM's on the premium content pages, but the other pages will drag that eCPM down.

Glam Media, Tribal Fusion and other networks have an eCPM well below $3. Jeremy seems to be doing everything right.

Mark MacLeod (startupcfo) said on Tue, December 30, 2008 at 10:58 AM

I applaud the B5 folks for sharing their numbers. A couple of things stand out:

- Revenue/ writer is $ 6.6K. So, I can only conclude that this is a labour of love for most of the blog authors / editors.

Each blog (on average) generates $ 4.4K in revenue. Would they be better off focusing on a much smaller number of sites and driving critical mass to those sites?

Bottom line: the growth is there, and they're generating more revenue than many startups. Still, they have a long way to go.

Mark

Jeremy Wright said on Tue, December 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Mark, good comments, however those numbers are over a year old :) (and in the original post, 2007 revenue is being compared to 2008 traffic which is even more flawed).

As a startup, we'll *always* have a long way to go, but our goal is to continue growing, continue evolving and continue pushing ourselves to never stagnate :)

Mark MacLeod (startupcfo) said on Tue, December 30, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Hey Jeremy,

If you are still open to being public, it would be cool to hear what the real numbers are. Don't blame you if you don't wish to share more. You've already gone beyond what most companies will share.

Mark

Ian Bell said on Tue, December 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Hi Mark,

Probably not a courtesy to ask someone to publish their numbers nor to try and breakdown their revenue model in public. There will always be hidden intangibles that are not factored in.

Jeremy Wright said on Tue, December 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM

It's fair to ask, but because we're VC-backed, we don't talk about current numbers. Normally we don't talk numbers at all, but made an exception for Profit, both because we felt we had a good chance of placing well and because we felt that so few folk share real details and as a result startups suffer.

And Ian, thanks for both comments :)

Mark MacLeod (startupcfo) said on Tue, December 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Ian,

I actually thought it would be better for Jeremy and B5 to have accurate numbers out there. If you see his comment above he is pointing out some serious innacuracies. Since these are public, I can only presume it's because he was OK with them being out there - in which case, better to have the right numbers out.

Mark

Jeremy Wright said on Tue, December 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM

As a note, I have no issue with folk dissecting numbers or asking about numbers publicly. After all, I've done it often enough in the past. However the best I can do is point out the logical or factual issues behind those analyses.

Basically a lot of numbers are easily taken out of context, both because they lack context and because numbers from one time period are being compared to numbers from another.

We'll never disclose current numbers on anything but traffic, though, and even then we'll always keep it vague, so deep analysis of how we're doing will always have substantial assumptions built-in :)

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